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    ting69, Sunday, 16th of July 2006, 18:00 UTC (20:00 CEST)[edit]

    See ting-wiki for more about tings.

    second life[edit]

    We try to meet on second-life along with the. Add your second life name to the participants list, please.

    We chose a hobo hangout for tinging in second life. secondlife://caletta/113/221/26 are the coordinates. Try to get there or tell us your name in second life (on irc or gobby) so we can teleport you there.


    We are meeting half an hour before a ting on irc, server freenode, channel #onebigsoup.


    We use Gobby as a collaborative editor. Use v0.3.x only please - older (and newer) versions are incompatile and will likely ruin the ting.

    TheSheep provides a gobby 0.3.x standalone server. Adress is c141-46.icpnet.pl port 6522 (default). Check irc.freenode #onebigsoup when there are problems to log in.


    We use teamspeak for VoIP. You find the teamspeak login data on the gobby page ting69_talk or ask on gobby or in irc.freenode #onebigsoup. teamspeak port is 8767 (default). Use quick connect to enter the server adress and join in. Configure your teamspeak to push-to-talk, please.

    Joining the ting using gobby only is surely welcome.

    topic proposals[edit]

    • tings are open. so come up with a topic - you will realize pretty soon if someone's interested in it
    • add topic, we're not against them

    today's tingers[edit]

    (sign: name, location, second-life identity, personal web-site)

    maybe participates, dunno yet[edit]

    • add

    some recommendations for ting[edit]

    Please save the ting every few minutes on your hard-disk. In case gobby crashes (it does so sometimes) or in case somebody deletes all text we likely have a version to retrieve the ting without loosing too much of it. So save.

    In case gobby crashes you have to relog in using a different name a n d a different color. You can not relog in using your former name o r color.

    • We start each contribution on tings with a sign: - this is because the colors get lost when exporting the ting to a wiki-page and not signing you can't tell anymore who wrote what on the wiki-page.
    • Export is some hours (or the next morning) after a ting is over. Remove what you do not want to be globally public before leaving a ting.
    • A ting might take 20 minutes or many hours until deep at night - in Europe at least ;).
    • Tings are set up for 18:00 UTC, and - like all good jam-session - sometimes don't get started but some hours later. So stay loged.

    Also open the tingn_document page, please. It is for life-summarizing the ting. Copy results or precious passages over to it. Ting_talk might get pretty long and chaotic after some busy ting-hours. It's nice to have the contents already condensed when copying over the ting to ting-wiki. We actually copy the document on the article page and the talk on the discussion page.

    The chat in the chat-window (below, in gobby) is translucent and will not be copied. It should be directly connected to a real irc channel (or peekko), freenode #ting for example, but it is not yet. Hack that, please.

    collab-editor contents copied in[edit]


    • ma: Mattis Manzel, sl: Mattis Voltaire, Venice
    • sh: Radomir Dopieralski, sl: Abigail Keats, Poznań

    ma: sigh

    sh: don't worry, we've got tools, now we need to find something to do with the tools ;)
    admit it, you're not paying attention yourself :)

    ma: we've got good tools, you name it. True. Quasi nothing we do with 'em. What am I not paying attention to myself?

    sh: to the ting, of course.

    ma: had hanger on tings beginning of the year, since May I'm a good tinger again, just the others - exept you - aren't (lion included).

    sh: the tools alone are boring after some time, no matter what nifty tools they are.

    ma: true, second life for example bored me after few hours. It's about combining them. But then the technical problems arise. And nobody else is inter- ested. Making the "digital air" to communicate work is hard. "Air" to communicate: think about talking to someone in the middle of a tornado, or a superloud discothek. That explains it. It's like a tornado discothek all over.

    sh: I have an idea for a topic for the ting -- we could take a page from the community-wiki that is ripe enough for turning into document mode, paste it as ting document, invite all (most) of the contributors, and refactor it into document mode during the ting. I'm sure it would be perfect for that.

    ma: pretty yes! Good idea, simple, collaborative, uses the advantages of simultanity, cool. It is more to work simultaniously than the sum of working the same amount of time on your own. "Refactoring ting"

    sh: rapid refactoring. And you can discuss things while editing with voip too. Just type and talk at the same time ;).

    ma: Absolutely. That was my idea about the ting-thing. As I said it, we have plenty of brilliant tools and do not propperly seek enough to use them in useful combinations.
    Second life and VoIP for example seems to make trouble being used simultaneously on one box. I have two running and it works ok. But there are limits. "Digital air" is hard to be made sing.

    g'night. good ting as usual. ;)

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