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    2005,Oct.5th on #mediawiki on [[Freenode]] (cut out)
    < mutante> is 1.4.0 to 1.4.10 worth the upgrade?
    < mutante> or should i just wait for 1.5 to become stable soon
    < innocence> 1.4.0 is great if you love security problems
    < mark-> just install 1.5
    < mutante> innocence: ouch,got the message
    < mutante> mark: you recommend 1.5rc4 preview release?
    < mark-> yes
    < avar> I'd rather use REL1_5
    < innocence> 1.5 ate my dog
    < avar> I thought it ate your flower
    < mutante> does 1.40 to 1.5rc4 include a change of the database scheme?
    < mutante> i see "Major changes have been made to the schema from 1.4.x." even
    < mutante> mark-: it tries to scare me with "DO NOT ATTEMPT TO UPGRADE A LIVE, PUBLIC SITE TO 1.5 AT THIS TIME."
    < mark-> don't be scared
    < mark-> that must be old :)
    < mark-> and yes there has been a schema change
    < mark-> but there's an upgrade script
    < mutante> it says so in "UPGRADE" text file of 1.5rc4 release..
    < grin> mutante: well live wikipedia is usually breaks when developers upgrade ;)
    < mark-> wikipedia runs 1.6...
    < grin> mutante: when things stop working we know: hey, they upgraded again!
    < innocence> mut: that's mainly so we cans ay "we told you so" when it broke
    < mark-> brion, can you PLEASE release 1.5?
    < mark-> I get tired of convincing users to run it
    < brion> mark-: shortly
    < mark-> thanks :)
    < mark-> it works fine
    < mutante> cool,then i will wait for 1.5 stable ;)
    < mark-> make sure you have a backup just in case
    < mutante> and not mess with it twice
    < mark-> mutante: why? it's just a version number
    < TerminX> mutante: 1.5 is stable and fine
    * TerminX runs CVS personally
    < mark-> unless you like security bugs
    < TerminX> on a live, public site, like wikipedia does
    < TerminX> running developmental code really isn't an issue
    * innocence 's wiki still runs 1.4
    < TerminX> heh
    < innocence> but then, 1.4 was HEAD at the time i installed it :)
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