Windows Vista Antivir Double Edged Sword
02:37 <+jnk> MS is hardening things because everyone complained, and now businesses complain that they're hardening things
02:37 <@Jet> they use the APIs to integrate AV scanning into file loading
02:38 <@Jet> Symantec and Adobe saw that teh EU would be open to listening to their whining
02:38 < Gaheris`> I want the antivirus industry to GO AWAY
02:38 <@Jet> because the EU hates MS
02:39 <@Jet> so they are using the opportunity to protect their business at the expense of the customer
02:39 <@Jet> but MS is the bad guy.
02:39 <+jnk> symantec can't integrate closely as they need and they argue that MS is forcing their own security model into windows by including their security center, virus scan, firewall, etc and restricting the ability for others to replace that
02:39 <+jnk> I'm not saying MS is the bad guy
02:39 < Gaheris`> they aren't RESTRICTING SHIT
02:40 <+jnk> MS is doing the same as any other business in trying to protect their interests
02:40 < Gaheris`> There is nothing stopping Symantec from providing AV support to Vista.
02:40 <@Jet> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx WFP is a new architecture in Windows Vista that allows unprecedented access to the TCP/IP packet processing path, wherein outgoing and incoming packets can be examined or changed before allowing them to be processed further. By tapping into the TCP/IP processing path, ISVs can create firewalls, antivirus software, diagnostic software, and other types of applications and services.
02:40 <@Jet> UNPRECENDENT ACCESS TO THE TCP/IP PACKET PROCESSING PATH
02:41 <@Jet> all without hacking winsock.dll
02:41 <@Jet> imagine that
02:41 < Gaheris`> yeah, that's GOOD
02:41 <@Jet> but Symantec programmers obviously can't figure it out
02:41 < Gaheris`> Meanwhile, after the last 6 years of spyware and malware, the antivirus vendors have no fucking room to talk about ANYTHING
02:42 < Gaheris`> they can suck my dick
02:52 < Gaheris`> but anyway, as far as the AV vendors and the Vista Kernel are concerned -- basically what the AV vendors are saying is "Microsoft shouldn't be allowed to close a security hole in their operating system, because our software uses those security holes in order to prevent other software that uses those same security holes from getting on the machine"
02:52 < Gaheris`> Symantec wants to encourage an insecure operating system
02:52 < Gaheris`> Because their entire existence is based on it
02:52 < Gaheris`> they DON'T WANT Windows to be secure
02:52 <+jnk> that's what I meant by double edged sword