User talk:Mutante

thoughts
mutante	!save last 23 of mutante,drowl,mattis from #seti23 to s23wiki:IRC/logs/$timestamp haha ;)	good night all

Edelweisspiraten
moved to Image talk:Edelweisspiraten.jpg see my answer there. thx for help finding a way through the copyright-jungle --cosmea 11:16, 8 November 2005 (CET)

RDF-Zeug
hi :) könntest du bitte bei Zielgruppe im Quelltext den rdf-code (hatte ich vorsichtshalber mit der CC-Lizenz mitkopiert) checken? Bin mir nicht sicher, was der genau macht und ob wir den wirklich brauchen. vielen dank! --cosmea 10:39, 28 October 2005 (CEST)

RDF Zeug hat vermutlich mit RSS-Feeds zu tun, enthält aber nur Links zu der CreativeCommons Lizenz die wir im übrigen auch selbst auf unserem Wiki verwenden. Habs mal gekürzt und nur den reinen Link dringelassen. mutante 19:00, 28 October 2005 (CEST)

Image Resizing
hi mutante, Image:Hippiesfromhell.gif is a bit too big and needs some imagemagick ;) thx a lot.--Cosmea 14:24, 17 Oct 2005 (CEST)

<-- adjust px (pixelsize) to your needs like in this example. mutante 19:00, 28 October 2005 (CEST)

mutante, replied on Talk:Forum. -Kunda 14:17, 28 October 2005 (CEST)

DrOwl on changing skin settings
Hay MUT... Tiz i the doc... i was playing around with Skins the other day... now i seem to have a blank skin, and can not change it becouse every time i log in i just get a blank window... =( any idear how to change my "skin" when i can not do it directly my self??? is there an "commandline user config" --DrOwl (2005/08/16 13:47

I searched on the mysql wiki database and i found this:

mysql> describe user; +--+-+--+-+-++ +--+-+--+-+-++ +--+-+--+-+-++ 9 rows in set (0.00 sec)
 * Field           | Type                | Null | Key | Default | Extra          |
 * user_id         | int(5) unsigned     |      | PRI | NULL    | auto_increment |
 * user_name       | varchar(255) binary |      | MUL |         |                |
 * user_real_name  | varchar(255) binary |      |     |         |                |
 * user_password   | tinyblob            |      |     |         |                |
 * user_newpassword | tinyblob           |      |     |         |                |
 * user_email      | tinytext            |      |     |         |                |
 * user_options    | blob                |      |     |         |                |
 * user_touched    | varchar(14) binary  |      |     |         |                |
 * user_token      | varchar(32) binary  |      |     |         |                |

mysql> select user_options from user where user_name="DrOwl"; ... ... contextlines=5 contextchars=50 skin=admonobook   <- there it is math=4 rcdays=7 ... ...

Unfortunately the whole options are crammed together into one big blob, instead of being one option per column. So the updating isnt that nice and quickly as it could. Will still fix your skin setting back to default "monobook" now by exporting it to a file,changing file and importing again. mutante 15:26, 16 Aug 2005 (CEST)

bash> mysqldump -u root -p -w "user_name='DrOwl'" -t wikidb user > drowl.sql

replaced "admonobook" with "monobook" in vi.

mysql -u root -p wikidb < drowl.sql

ERROR 1062 at line 12: Duplicate entry '5' for key 1

arr,not like this. Looks like i have to drop you before, using an update statement fails somehow...

Password Messup
Arrr,DAMN; now i messed up and deleted your user info. About to reconstruct it and give you a new password and default settings...arff Murphy mutante 16:01, 16 Aug 2005 (CEST)

BIG MESSUP, accidentally overwritten ALL passwords with new string instead of only DrOwl's. OUCH,, have manually reset to passwords from backup. If you have any trouble logging in, leave a note here. Sorry. mutante 17:18, 16 Aug 2005 (CEST)

=) did you reset my PW back to what it was??? i can not login =( i wasnt onling lastnight or i would of hassled you then =) ---Loves and Joys your DrOwl

How do I change a user's password?
Assuming that $wgPasswordSalt is set to true (the default), you can use the following SQL query:

UPDATE user SET user_password = MD5(CONCAT(user_id, '-',MD5('somepass'))) WHERE user_name = 'whatever'; Where obviously "somepass" is changed the password you want to set and "whatever" is changed to the user name as it is listed in the table "user". --- from:

Kunda on Top Categories
--- mutante,(greetz) looks great(top catagories box)..is it automagically generated or static ? -Kunda 11:32, 9 Apr 2005 (CEST)

it's static.(and i think might be ok to stay) adding corners now. mutante 11:52, 9 Apr 2005 (CEST)

Finn 21:20, 30 Mar 2005 (CEST) LOL @ Ohmsches Gesetz hehe

(added by KunDa) mutante, a creature of mutation. A facilitator of skills for himself and fellow humans. Co-founder of the Seti23 cabal and bestower of neat thingies on the unsuspecting public. A bringer of light on all terrestrial inhabitance. A mench among the wretch and rabble. His mother should be proud...never has such a bastard walked among us and lived a full length life (yet). Amen. (:P)

muta, thanks for the WmIc page...awesome! -KunDa

Muta, A script to check the USA's Homeland Security threat level echo "Threat Level: `curl -s http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/getAdvisoryCondition | tail -n 1 | cut -f2 -d \"\\"\"`"
 * 1) !/bin/sh

or ', '1', implode(' ', file("http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/getAdvisoryCondition"))); print "Homeland Security Threat Leval: $threat."; ?>

Maybe you can tcl one and add it to the bots! jejeje -KunDa Hehe, i just tested both versions and of course they work ;) will get into the tcl version as requested .. -mutante

Know https://fuckup.homeunix.net/index.php?FWikiChanges? -- gelegentlicher FAZ Heringseinwickler MattisManzel

Man, yet again..i must tip my hat and give props do a man that kicks so much ass.. Mr. mutante The intermap and the template blank wiki page are excellent. -KunDa

mutante, MoonEdit ist der Kracher! -- MattisManzel

Hey mutante, meld dich mal bei mir - am besten per Jabber. -- zakx

Stimmt, mutante erreicht man nur noch über's wiki :) MattisManzel

hiho, wollt nur mal hallo sagen weil mir langweilig ist =) --LaGGeR 21:55, 16 Apr 2005 (CEST) noch mal ich ;) hab grad deine message gelesen, lustig, ich wollt auch grad ne ramones page anfangen ich kann die ja gleich ein bisschen ausbauen :) danke fürs umräumen bei mir, ich gucks mir sofort an.. danke danke, bis demnächst.. --LaGGeR

new template
very snazzy :D easy on the eyes to..i like the richness in color..its nice a subtle as opposed to the old wiki..this one has more colors to discern and i appreciate little things like that.. details..but not too much. simple, practical and comfortable to use. well done mate have you checked it out with difference themes? Kunda

I like it to but the big white box makes my head hurt... ill have to make my own skin i think =) + the text at the top logon preffes etc is black on a black back-ground =) DrOwl

Yea, its not finished yet. We should make the default css together and/or each of us makes a css and we integrate them in the "Skin" options to choose from. I put the css i messed with up here. You can play with it (i hope) using your User:Fnord/monobook.css user style page. Check out my own User:mutante/monobook.css for copy & pasting,too. I added a few hacks for rounded corners that i found on Wikipedia. Combined with the changed default template, it looks a lot better. mutante 20:54, 8 Feb 2005 (CET)

hay mut i love the image trick, i havent looked how you did it yet but it rules =) --User:DrOwl

Re: RSS Feed
Hi!

Ja, ich hab einen Newsfeed.

Atom: http://ees555.ee.funpic.de/blog/atom.xml

RSS/Atom: http://feeds.feedburner.com/KdgkBlog

Wär cool, wenn man den in das Wiki hier einbauen könnte :D

Alles Heil Diskordia!

> Das geht ganz leicht, schau mal auf Feeds/Discordian ;)

gesehen! cool!

its all about me -Kunda
muta, can you add Yoga to the top categories box..or is that not on topic politically incorrect inappropriate and just plain wrong? -Kunda

of course it is, will do. i just copied the categories from that proposal for a new main page. mutante 12:27, 16 Apr 2005 (CEST)

comment just for the heck of it
not really in fact..its because of this:
 * wiki.s23.org resolves to the is-root.de homepage..and not wiki
 * can you bring back rc.s23.org ?

ya, im working on it.(the domain config and redirects). I also want wiki.s23.org back as the main URL for our wiki (without breaking the other one(s)). mutante 01:06, 5 May 2005 (CEST)

-Kunda
 * im constipated..dont tell anyone..k?

Ok, i wont. mutante 01:06, 5 May 2005 (CEST)

I REALLY want this product from Amazon:

ISBN B0000E3HK0 <- Robin of Sherwood (UK-Import) COMPLETE DVD Set

damn, isbn links need to be fixed (and that in between page). just go to amazon manually and search for that ASIN (ISBN) above. its hell of expensive though, just a reminder for myself

Glitch?
Something is definitely wrong here. There is a Destroy All Humans! videogame advertisement on the bottom of each page. The words are huge in the sidebar menu to the left. The tabs that are supposed to be on top (user page, discussion, edit, +, history, move, and watch) are descending downwards. And the user menu on the very top is on the left instead of the right. Just wanted to let you know. &rarr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   00:53, 10 May 2005 (CEST)

I think its seems to be a CSS issue since it is fine viewing through firefox. I confirm the same above results when browsing with explorer. -Kunda 06:36, 10 May 2005 (CEST)

Oh, its an IE problem. No wonder didnt notice it then. Dont know anybody using that program. Good reason to switch. (ok,ok, i will care for it later, its just so tempting to ignore IE css trouble) mutante 20:22, 11 May 2005 (CEST) Found the bug. It was caused by installing the latest update to the RSS extension by Duesntrieb. A  had slipped in during copy and paste from the wiki site. Removed it from ./extensions/RSSExtension.php. Fixed a few minor errors caused by adding the Top Categories box to the left and now we are [valid xhtml transitional] again and IE shows the page a lot better. mutante 20:56, 13 May 2005 (CEST)

Hi. Me again, reporting more IE/MSN trouble. When I first access the main page now, it is displayed in some weird non-wiki format that I can't really explain. Oh, wait I just figured it out. That strange format is only displayed at http://is-root.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page, whereas the correct format is displayed at http://is-root.de/wiki/Main_Page. ¡Ay caramba! You guys aren't very MSN friendly, are you? JarlaxleArtemis 21:43, 27 Jun 2005 (CEST)

And how do http://s23.org/wiki/Main_Page or http://s23.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page look for you? We just removed the "index.php" part from URLs with an apache alias,but i wouldnt know how that should have influenced something MS specific..hmmm mutante 22:29, 27 Jun 2005 (CEST)


 * Those both look fine. Look at Wikipedia, though. It's now dead. &rarr;  Jarlaxle  Artemis   02:15, 28 Jun 2005 (CEST)

Moving
Hey friends, i'm currently offline because i am moving to a new appartment, and there is no connection yet. Dont worry, i will be back soon. Yours, mutante 09:53, 2 Jun 2005 (CEST)

Thanks for letting us know. Btw. you can see the building you are moving too from SirKarls house. Make a wifi connection! Finn 10:04, 2 Jun 2005 (CEST) Nice idea, i was gonna install a webcam too. cu later mutante A webcam linked to our wiki? thats gonna be cool ;) Finn

I am back online in my new place with more bandwidth but cheaper,joy mutante 22:08, 8 Jun 2005 (CEST)

just felt like fucking with your talk page
saw some activity via the bot on #wiki... -Kunda

juicing up content organization (a vote)
lets make simple just a little bit more complex. lets tweek with the representation of content. start using some s here and there. i nominate you (aktion, mutante SR, KSC, fnordiliciousness) to teach the rest of us how to do that. all in favor say 'Eye!' Kunda 14:50, 11 Jul 2005 (CEST) -> Eye! Use more === and ====, so that a TOC appears that can be like a tree with sub"-menus". mutante 12:02, 1 Oct 2005 (CEST)

range blocks
i wanted to block a range, becouse it was on a few spam databases... but i got... "The sysop ability to create range blocks is disabled."

i wandering if we should make a little script that searches for new spam ranges and auto bans that range for say 23 days...

i thourgh if this stuff before there are loads of IP black lists... some thing like:-


 * get ip black list
 * diff list to find new spamer range's
 * add new spammers to ban our list #Q) is the ban list in the data base
 * 1) Q) can we add to the ban list with SQL?
 * 2) Q) need to find which black list we want to use

this will not proctect us from all spam, just people that are allrerady known spammers, but every little halps.


 * 1) A) yes
 * 2) A) yes
 * 3) A) i dont know

structure of sql table 'ipblock'
mysql> describe ipblocks; +---++--+-+-++ +---++--+-+-++ +---++--+-+-++
 * Field        | Type               | Null | Key | Default | Extra          |
 * ipb_id       | int(8)             |      | PRI | NULL    | auto_increment |
 * ipb_address  | varchar(40) binary |      | MUL |         |                |
 * ipb_user     | int(8) unsigned    |      | MUL | 0       |                |
 * ipb_by       | int(8) unsigned    |      |     | 0       |                |
 * ipb_reason   | tinyblob           |      |     |         |                |
 * ipb_timestamp | varchar(14) binary |     |     |         |                |
 * ipb_auto     | tinyint(1)         |      |     | 0       |                |
 * ipb_expiry   | varchar(14) binary |      |     |         |                |

Example of one table row:

++---+--++++--++ ++---+--++++--++ ++---+--++++--++
 * ipb_id | ipb_address  | ipb_user | ipb_by | ipb_reason     | ipb_timestamp  | ipb_auto | ipb_expiry     |
 * 61 | 68.59.156.243 |       0 |      6 | spammer (bot?) | 20050925002321 |        0 | 20051018002321 |

mutante 21:31, 30 Sep 2005 (CEST)

Blocking ranges with CIDR notation
In "ipb_address" there are no wildcards like 192.168.23.* allowed, i asked on #mediawiki and found out we need to use CIDR notation, see. That means we have to insert a $IP/24 if we want to ban a Class C net. "192.168.0.0/24 represents the 256 IPv4 addresses 192.168.0.0 through 192.168.0.255 inclusive"

mutante 21:49, 30 Sep 2005 (CEST)

s23wiki bot to combat spam
hey..idea for a bot-wiki function...auto block ip if intervals between posts are under 'x' seconds -Kunda 15:53, 3 Oct 2005 (CEST)

mutante, might want to l/p the wiki again...
if you are online..and are watching..it looks like another spam bot..might want to lock down the wiki again.. -Kunda 21:08, 14 Oct 2005 (CEST)

watching on IRC, mutante 21:10, 14 Oct 2005 (CEST)

spammers on the User_Contributions
it sucks to see that in User_Contributions we have in the rank #9 with 142 edits Mr or Mrs. 69.31.131.178	and a list list of his/her contributions. + some other prolific spammer who make our fine list. Nothing we can do about this, no?

Do something about what? About the fact that they are spamming, about them showing up in user contributions list or about not enough real users to make them drop in the list? mutante 14:50, 12 November 2005 (CET)

Dark Galaxy
yeah, I got the mail. it seems a lot of things changed in the new round. are the homeplanets now destroyable/conquerable ?? Finn

yep, I saw it. no problem. Finn

mutante, maybe a wiki upgrade/spamblacklist tutorial
The Barbelith wiki are having some trouble with spam..as probably are other many tiny small wikis. maybe we can write up a quick and dirty upgrading tut, like a quick and dirty field guide. I'll start the page. Mediawiki_Upgrade_Tutorial_with_Spamblacklist_patch

funny
http://www.allowe.com/Humor/computerenhancers.htm

wikistats
Just to let you know that the "csv" files are not actually in csv format, because the data is separated by semicolons rather than commas. Could you please fix this? 219.89.236.163 09:17, 25 February 2006 (CET)

Well, first i had commas, but then Excel didnt want to eat them automatically without having to set the delimiter manually. I already made fun of Excel why they dont call it .ssv files instead. After some testing by Cosmea it turned out semicolon seperated is being opened automatically by both Excel and OpenOffice, therefore i decided to leave it this way. Do you have problems using this in a specific application? Maybe i should just provide both formats. mutante 12:04, 25 February 2006 (CET)

Now you can just choose from both, real csv and "pseudo csv aka ssv". Wikistats. mutante 14:01, 25 February 2006 (CET)

see: Wikistats

irc from varanasi
couldnt figure out how to and didnt hook up with you in time. no worries. talk with you again, soon. take care freind -Kunda 11:38, 5 March 2006 (CET)

try this http://s23.org/irc/ irc applet installed by took. should come handy for you :) mutante 11:45, 5 March 2006 (CET)

Wiki List
The wiki list here: http://s23.org/wikistats/editthis_html.php has a problem. The urls for editthis.info are case sensitive, and until recently I allowed new wikis to have upper and lower case names in their urls. Here is an example: http://www.editthis.info/Code_WIKI/index.php/Main_Page

The links in your page are all lower case, about 25% of them will fail because of this. I commented out the link to your page for right now, but feel free to uncomment it after this is fixed:

http://www.editthis.info/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Top_Wikis&action=edit&section=1

Thanks, Rob

Fixed, mutante 11:51, 23 April 2006 (CEST)

Statistics for various Wikimedia Projects
I want to thank you for setting up the statistics pages here on this website, and we are using these statistics to help with the design of the main Wikibook portal page.

I just wanted to let you know that there is a request to add a few languages to the list of Wikibooks that are being automatically generated. I'm not exactly sure how you want to handle these types of requests, so I put up a list of at least the additional Wikibooks to include here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AList_of_Wikibooks

Some of these are surprisingly rather large, and certainly need to be listed in a statistical summary of all of the Wikibooks projects. Growth is such a fun thing to look at.

Thanks in advance: -- wikibooks:User:Robert Horning

added to the database as requested. mutante 18:30, 9 April 2006 (CEST)

There are also new Wikisources: --80.131.28.111 12:29, 15 April 2006 (CEST)
 * yi.wikisource.org
 * sk.wikisource.org
 * cs.wikisource.org
 * ml.wikisource.org

added to the database as requested. mutante 12:43, 15 April 2006 (CEST)

And please add the Min Nan Wiktionary (zh-min-nan) to the stats, thanks. A-giâu 19:40, 20 April 2006 (CEST)

-- done, mutante 09:13, 21 April 2006 (CEST)

There are a lot of new Wikisources. See http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#new_subdomains_2 --84.60.235.36 11:29, 17 June 2006 (CEST)

Thanks, i have added them all. mutante 22:18, 18 June 2006 (CEST)

Numerical and single word page names
These make me laugh, and I want more.

I wonder what it would be like if every page name always "just linked" without ever using []'s or CamelCase ... It seems like it would make things even more fun because every 'term' would always be 'resolvable' to the community definition ... Ownut

there you go with another 4711. Yeah that idea has been around some time ago, and i really like it too, maybe we can hack the mediawiki one day to test it. mutante 14:36, 9 May 2006 (CEST)

E-Mailfunktionen des s23 Wikis
Hallo mutante,

ich glaube, dass die E-Mailfunktionen hier nicht richtig (oder gar nicht implementiert sind), denn ich kann meine E-mailadresse nicht bestätigen, d.h. ich bekomme keine Bestätigungsmail an meine Adresse geschickt. Auch die Baisfunktion "email password" geht nicht. Wäre nett, wenn es eingeschaltet werden würde. --Wikinaut 13:32, 9 May 2006 (CEST)

Richtig, Email ist gar nicht implementiert, wurde aber auch bisher noch nicht wirklich vermisst. Wozu moechtest du eine Bestätigungsmail, wir verlangen doch gar keine Überprüfung beim anmelden. Wenn Passwörter zurückzusetzen waren hab ich das bei unserer geringen Useranzahl bisher manuell gemacht. Aber ich werden mich trotzdem mal drum kuemmern bald mutante 14:34, 9 May 2006 (CEST)

enotif test..blubb

Also der Password Reminder geht schon mal (bitte trotzdem testen). Beim Enotif bin ich mir aber nicht so sicher, scheint noch nichts zu kommen bei Changes. Probier doch mal mutante 08:16, 12 May 2006 (CEST)

wikiCode extension
[!] look at wikiCode extension for DrOwl =) (mutante) what does the wikiCode extension currently look like? is it http://s23.org/wiki/User:DrOwl/wikiCode if so i need to fix stuff like the regEx

=) added in the 23Bunny cowsay =)

hay sir good on you woth all the fonts and the boxes and such too =)

/me Lix mutante's ear

blinkenlight java is killing me
takes so long to load... and it hangs firefox -Kunda

Be bold and move it from the main page. mutante 06:52, 16 July 2006 (CEST)

Wikispamming
Can you do anything against it (see Todo)? Der Scheiß nimmt überhand. robiH 84.177.168.86 11:18, 12 August 2006 (CEST)

We use $wgSpamRegex all the time, if that would not be the case it would be 10 times worse :p We can finetune the expression though, do you recommend certain strings to be added. I could paste the current expression here but i also dont know if it would be good to reveal it to the spammers. I also (re-)activated Spam_blacklist but that only applies to URLs  mutante 11:27, 12 August 2006 (CEST)

Maybe that wold be already sufficient. But wait, The task icons are gone. Why is that? robiH 84.177.130.211 12:24, 12 August 2006 (CEST)

I can still see them as normal. ex: http://s23.org/w/images/task_2.png mutante 16:18, 12 August 2006 (CEST)

Log out and try it again. robiH 84.177.192.245 17:11, 12 August 2006 (CEST)

Log out as root and empty your browser cache. RobiH 17:16, 12 August 2006 (CEST)

Ah yes, and, please, prohibit <a href=". RobiH 17:19, 12 August 2006 (CEST)

Existing in too many legit pages, would make editing them very hard or force users to remove all of them

They always can be changed into wikitax. But spammers don't know wikitax. RobiH 17:39, 12 August 2006 (CEST)

wikistats
I'm a fan of statistics and was wanting to know why the thousands of other private media wikis aren't in the stats list? Do you mind if I go ahead and flood the list with the 1,000 or so other mediawikis such as those listed on Sites using MediaWiki for a more accurate ranking or listing? Is this what the todo list is for?

I was wondering how this page can be updated: List of Private Mediawikis to more closely reflect the mediawikis_html.php page?

Cheers Aussiepete

If you manually check Wikis from Sites using MediaWiki and can confirm they do offer a working "Special:Statistics?action=raw"-page, (mediawiki version >= 1.5) feel free to add them on the todo or use this form right away and just drop a message. Maybe dont do too many at once, if you have literally hundreds of wikis or something, you may provide me with a text file list that i can import quicker then. The thing is that wikis need manual checking currently, not all of them proviode tha "raw" version of stats and allow access to it.

List of Private Mediawikis can be updated by copying wikicode from here and pasting it.

mutante 06:11, 20 September 2006 (CEST)
 * I've gone and added some and was a bit zelous - I wasn't too detailed in my checking so have added some with undefined versions and duplicates - sorry, these are teh dupes: GuildWiki, Battlestar Wiki, C# Online.NET, Crazy Hacks Aussiepete

No problem, deleted the dupes (except C# Online.NET which didnt seem to be a dupe). mutante 14:28, 20 September 2006 (CEST)
 * Thanks, I might steer clear of adding more incase I stuff it up again :) The C# dupe is the same wiki as it has the same stats and they both look the same, just on different addresses (possibly a mirror somehow?). I really like the idea behind the project and would love to see it when it's a more accurate/definitive listing.

Aah, okay "CSharp-Online.NET" deleted. C# Online.NET stays. Got it. mutante 06:20, 21 September 2006 (CEST)

Hey...
Could you add Bosnian Wikinews to the Wikinews statistics website. It states that you created it. Thanks.

Sure, request has been added here: Wikistats/ToDo mutante 12:43, 16 December 2006 (CET)

top ten largest files.
have a look in Unix/Usefull_Commands

List of Wikisources
Hi! I noticed two needed corrections: Done.

Sortable
Hi! It would be absolutely amazing if you could simply add  to the parameters of your table. It adds simple functionality, most importantly the ability to view lists now only in order of size, but also language code, language name, etc.

I just added the code now to the Wikisource list at Meta and it works fine.

Done. I have already replaced it in a couple tables on meta and in the script output. mutante 16:35, 21 January 2007 (CET)

wikisource, largest, wikiquote,wikibooks,wiktionaries,wikimedia,wikinews

Do you know what i have to do to get the class="sortable" thing working on this wiki,too ? mutante 17:17, 21 January 2007 (CET)

Thanks
Thanks for welcoming me and fixing my goofs! :-) Binky The WonderSkull 09:42, 3 February 2007 (CET)

How to add wiki list
Hi.. I'm Oryza from Indonesia. I want to ask how to add a new wiki list to http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawikis_html.php

We have a wiki named MyQWiki - MyQuran Wiki, a muslim encyclopedia in Bahasa Indonesia. The address is http://wiki.myquran.org

Please let me know how to add it in list. Thanks

Oryza

Hello Oryza,

no problem, your wiki has been added. So far i add new wikis manually into a mysql database, so putting it here was the right way to get it added. If you have more wikis to add you can also add them to Wikistats/ToDo right away if you want. mutante 18:22, 12 February 2007 (CET)

Stub ratio
Hello, I read your wikistats because it is much more updated then the original wikistats. But there is one thing I don´t understand - which way is stub ratio counted? Thanks for your answer. --85.70.157.249 21:33, 15 April 2007 (CEST)

""select *,good/total as ratio from..". stub ratio = 'good' divided by 'total'. mutante 22:33, 15 April 2007 (CEST)

Kabyle Wikipedia
Hello mutante, please add http://kab.wikipedia.org/ to your stat. I tried to add it myself using http://s23.org/wikistats/addwiki/ but it would not allow me to add a wikipedia site :) Thx. --IvanLanin 04:12, 10 May 2007 (CEST)


 * Thx! Based on en-wp:Kabyle language, since I'm not a native speaker neither :), I think Taqbaylit is correct. --IvanLanin 10:58, 10 May 2007 (CEST)

Tamil Wikisource
Hi. Please add ta.wikisource.org to the List of Wikisources. Thanks!

Done. mutante 14:05, 10 May 2007 (CEST)

Ich bin ne Woche offline
Ich bin in Holland und daher wundere Dich bitte nicht, daß zwischen dem 26.5. und dem 2.6. keine Tasks von mir kommen. Wenn Du Dir selber Tasks backen willst, kannst Du 1x täglich die dunkelroten Timestamps händisch überprüfen. RobiH 01:37, 26 May 2007 (CEST)

Hyperwave-Statistik
Ich habe die, das Konzept der Wiki-Statistik auf Metadaten anderer Server auszudehnen?

Ich denke da vor allem an Hyperwave.

Zwei Beispiele:
 * Das Einfachere
 * Das Schwierigere

Zu parsen wäre:
 * Subdocs bzw. "Objects contained"
 * GOID bzw. "Object identifier"
 * Title

Das ganze wie gehabt wieder in einer schönen sortierbaren Tabelle. Eventuell auch noch mit Eingabeformular wie bei /addwiki. Dubletten verhindert man mit der GOID-Abfrage.

Die Statsurls würde ich alle anliefern.

Was hälst Du davon? RobiH 22:39, 6 June 2007 (CEST)

Erklär mal bitte erst was Hyperwave ist. mutante 11:44, 7 June 2007 (CEST)


 * Hyperwave ist eine Serverplattform, die man am besten als proprietären und geschlossenen Vorläufer zu Wiki-Plattformen betrachten kann. RobiH 12:31, 7 June 2007 (CEST)

Wikistats question
I've got one question about the wikistats here: how do you count stubs (so as to calculate the stub ratio)? I had thought at first that you considered stubs all articles below a certain size or length (say, less than 200 or than 2000 characters). However, I have recently increasted the size of some 200-300 articles (to about 2000 characters text) in the Volapük wikipedia, but this didn't change the stub ratio value (there should have been a change between 1 and 2%). Maybe you use another definition, like the presence and/or number of links? Smeira 23:05, 5 July 2007

Hi, its not me who defined what is a stub and what isnt, that is programmed in Mediawiki itself. I merely read the values for "total" and "good" (total minus stubs minus non standard namespaces) from the Special:Statistics page. Afaik the definition of Mediawiki for a "good" article includes a minimum length and there must be at least one internal wiki link in the article. For details try to ask one of the Mediawiki developers on #mediawiki on Freenode IRC.

Greets, mutante 08:11, 8 July 2007 (CEST)


 * So, the "total" and "good" are exactly the same two values that we see at the Special:Statistics page? For the Volapük Wikipedia, I read now (here) "30,653" articles in total, and "27,677" content articles. So the number of "non-content articles" (the same as stubs?) is 30,653 - 27,677 = 2,976, and the stub ration would be: 2,976 / 30,653 = 0,097. But what I see in your wikistats page is 0,9027 (which curiously is close to 1 - 0,097). Am I assuming something wrong here? Smeira 2007 yulul 9, 14:03

The stub ratio is good/total, not non-good/total.

$query = "select *,good/total as ratio ...

".$row['ratio']."

mysql> select good,total,good/total as ratio from wikipedias where prefix="vo"; +---+---++ +---+---++ +---+---++
 * good | total | ratio  |
 * 27682 | 30662 | 0.9028 |

mutante 21:40, 10 July 2007 (CEST)


 * Oh! Let me see if I understand correctly: the stub ratio is then the fraction of good articles in the database, not the fraction of stubs? 0,9028 means 90,28% of the articles are good, not stubs? So a high stub ratio (=many good articles, few stubs) is good, and a low stub ration is bad (= few good articles, many stubs)? Is that correct? I had thought it was the opposite! Smeira 2007 yulul 11, 12:13

Yes, 1.0 would be 100% of all articles are good, and no stubs at all. So you cant get a higher value than 1. mutante 13:03, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

cn0km wiki submission request
Hi, Sir


 * We have a mediawiki powered website cn0km wiki with more than 4600 articles, and we tried to summit though the online form, but failed. Would you visit our site and list it in the Biggest MediaWiki sites?

Great thanks.

Best regards.

Hi, i added your wiki. I had to use lynx to fetch your page. For some unknown reason your server doesnt answer me using the PHP function file_get_contents, unlike most, but not all, other mediawikis. mutante 10:21, 19 July 2007 (CEST)

cs uncyclopedia
Are you sure that the uncyclopedia in language cs is hosted on pedia.ws, as you say in http://s23.org/wikistats/uncyclomedia_html.php, and not on wikia.com?

I have updated the URL, it has changed and it was a task to update it. mutante 23:02, 7 August 2007 (CEST)

division by zero
it's few Warning: Division by zero in /usr/virtualweb/wikistats/wikipedias_wiki.php on line 45 in the end of  (division by number of articles?). please fix this.

Hi, i fixed that. Btw, you can add tasks for Wikistats in Wikistats/ToDo. mutante 09:34, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

find' gerad die tasks nicht
(22:24:53) robiH: http://s23.org/wiki/Wik.is (22:26:24) mattis^: http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/HiveWiki/WikIsHive (22:26:46) mattis^: gibt nen paar ( 22:27:50) robiH: Da hab ich es ja auch gefunden. (22:28:56) mattis^: wär geil die Seiten ineinander einzuhängen, eure in meine jedenfalls (22:29:50) mattis^: ah, holla, hast hive-wiki geguckt ~freu ~ (22:30:16) robiH: Mach nen Task fuer mutante, dann macht ers.

Könnte man die statistischen Informationen in die hive-wiki Seite einbauen, unten die changes, jouw, das wär was! --

Auto-Hostlist
Zu welchen Zeiten findet immer das automatische Neueinlesen der Hive-Hostlisten statt? RobiH 19:37, 17 September 2007 (CEST)

Hmm,gar nich im cronjob, hostlists waren nur manuell.. kann ich ja mal wieder anstossen.. hostlist update läuft..u.a. gerade EditThis komplett update .. mutante 22:13, 17 September 2007 (CEST)

Auferstehung Toter DNS
Wie wahrscheinlich ist, daß ein ausgetragener DNS wieder kommt? Ist das nicht der entgültigste Zustand, den ein totes Wiki haben kann? Lohnt es sich da überhaupt, noch 14 Tage abzuwarten? RobiH 18:14, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Genauso wahrscheinlich wie das jemand seine abgelaufene Domain wieder bezahlt, also nicht vorraussagbar. Ausserdem ist DNS ein dezentrales System, es ist nicht gesagt das die Seite für alle nicht auflösbar ist, es könnte auch nur dein DNS sein, oder nur Europa..oder.... Und ein False Positive der zu früh gelöscht wird ist "schlimmer" als wenn man sieht das manche Wikis nicht (mehr) erreichbar waren seit Datum X. Und es hätte schon einige false positives gegeben wenn ich immer sofort gelöscht hätte was du als Task stellst.

Heißt das, ich soll die betreffenden Tasks streichen, bzw. gar nicht erst reinstellen? RobiH 20:36, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Wenn die 14 Tage rum sind kannst du sie wie gehabt zum löschen reinstellen, vorher "zur Beobachtung" falls es Sinn macht. mutante 20:57, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Wikistats depth
Hi, mutante. I would like to ask you how is depth calculated. Apparently it is related to a stub-ration variable but that variable is not supposed to be the stub-ration listed on the Wikipedias list. You say it is GOOD/TOTAL and the calculation matches (GOOD=articles in namespace 0; TOTAL=total pages in all namespaces). Although if I try to calculate the depth of any Wikipedia according to the formula at meta.wikimedia.org List of Wikipedias by size I won't get the same value as your table presents. So I guess this stub-ration for depth calculation is the actual stub articles (short articles). If so, what is the criteria for considering it a stub? Best regards, 82.154.210.53 23:14, 6 December 2007 (CET) w:pt:User:Malafaya

Hi Malafaya,

First my script reads from the mediawikis "Special:Statistics?action=raw" pages, and gets "good","total","edits" etc from there. The decision "what is a good page" is inside the mediawiki source, and to know for sure you would have to ask the developers on #mediawiki on Freenode, but it has to do with being in the main namespace, having a minimum length in bytes and at least one internal wiki link to another page.

Ok, back to my script, after i get the "good" and "total" and "edit" values i store them in a database and when outputting i "select *,good/total as ratio from wikipedias...", so my ratio is good/total. Then i set $nonarticles=$total-$good; and then the current version of the "depth" formula is "$depth=$edits/$good*$nonarticles/$good*(1-$ratio);".

I didnt invent "depth" myself, i just added by request from another wikipedia user, and then there were several request to change it since, and quite some discussion about it. I simply implemented the formula i was asked to implement on every change, so i cant really explain the meaning of it anymore now myself. If it causes so much discussion i am tempted to remove it from the wiki output thats used to paste on meta.wikimedia until there is a new consensus about it.

Greets, mutante 01:01, 7 December 2007 (CET)

P.S. There are also a few extra rules, like "if ($good==0) { $depth="-"; .." , "$depth=round($depth);", "if ($depth > 300 && $good < 100000) { $depth="--";" that were added by request. I hope i clarified this as much as possible now and feel free to create a task here on Wikistats/ToDo if you desire changes, but preferably after consensus on meta has been found.
 * Hi again, mutante. Thanks for your thorough explanation. My question has to do with that ratio name being called "stub-ratio" as it is misleading. It looks like it has to do with "stub/small articles".
 * So, if I understood correctly the above formula is exactly the same as:
 * "$depth=$edits/$good*$nonarticles/$good*($nonarticles/$total);"
 * The ratio variable is just an intermediate result, derived from other parameters. Thanks a lot for the explanation. 195.23.53.14 16:07, 7 December 2007 (CET) w:pt:User:Malafaya
 * According to your formula, I manually calculated depth for Volapük Wikipedia and I got a result of 2.36. In your table, there is 4. How come the result is quite different? 82.155.230.238 13:56, 8 December 2007 (CET)

As said above ratio is good/total. When i wrote the answer above i was referring to the wiki syntax output here. Do you refer to the html output here? Im afraid the added confusion comes from those 2 not having the same formula version. Checking now... mutante 18:15, 8 December 2007 (CET)

Oops,yes, indeed that was the case, the html output still had the old formula in it and also in the description below the table. I updated, renamed "Stub Ratio" to just "Ratio" column, updated the formula from OLD: $depth=($edits/$good*$nonarticles/$good)/(1+$ratio); to NEW $depth=$edits/$good*$nonarticles/$good*(1-$ratio); so it is the same as in the wiki output, and also adjusted the description of variables below the table. mutante 18:21, 8 December 2007 (CET)
 * Yeap, looks fine now :). Thanks, mutante. 82.155.230.238 18:26, 8 December 2007 (CET) w:pt:User:Malafaya

Making the wikipedias list user-sortable
Hi. I tried to fix List of Wikipedias recently to make the table user-sortable by any column and to make the first two columns narrower so the table would fit better in typically sized windows, but it appears that a script at s23.org is responsible for generating this data, so it gets overwritten regularly... Are you the person who wrote the script at http://s23.org/wikistats/wikipedias_wiki.php? If so, could you modify it (or give me access to the code so I can modify it) to include these changes so the table will be more versatile? Thanks. Plenty 06:47, 11 December 2007 (CET)

Sorry, but inserting random  in between language names doesnt seem to be good idea to me. If text is wrapping depends on very individual details of the person viewing the page, resolution of display, font size, etc. mutante 12:50, 16 December 2007 (CET)


 * Ok, that makes sense. It was kind of arbitrary deciding which languages to break up that way, anyway. But the main point was to make the table sortable, which makes the table much more useful by allowing you to see the languages either by number of articles, number of users, alphabetically, or however you like. You can try it for yourself here. Plenty 22:26, 17 December 2007 (CET)

a dot
. took 21:52, 15 January 2008 (CET)

New Wikipedias
Hi. Recently there have been opened three new Wikipedias:


 * Qırımtatarca – Crimean Tatar (crh) – crh:Qırımtatar tili
 * Dolnoserbski – Lower Sorbian (dsb) – Dolnoserbšćina
 * Seeltersk – Saterland Frisian (stq) – stq:Seeltersk

Could you please add them to the scripts?--Imrek 23:37, 15 January 2008 (CET)

Yes, i just added them. mutante 19:17, 16 January 2008 (CET)

Reparatur der Hyperwave-Titelerkennung durch Took
Ich denke nicht, daß Took die ganze Befehlszeile neuschreiben muß, sondern lediglich ein paar kleine Änderungen (Klammer zuviel oder zuwenig) vornehmen wird. Daher wird ihm auch fehlerhfter Code, den er dann ausbessern kan, mehr von Nutzen sein, als wenn er alles neu proggen müßte. RobiH 00:10, 9 February 2008 (CET)

Vergiss es, wir stampfen die Titelspalte ein und dann ist Ruhe. Siehe Talk:Hyperwave RobiH 00:34, 9 February 2008 (CET)

OmegaWiki
Hoi, You may want to consider doing the stats for OmegaWiki as well. Due to the nature of this project, you will be interested in the data that is not in the main namespace.. These are the stats that OmegaWiki itself provides.

OmegaWiki is relevant because the same data can be shown in multiple languages... Give it a try :) Thanks, GerardM


 * can you be a bit more specific about your request? RobiH 21:54, 1 April 2008 (CEST)

li.wikisource.org
Please add to chart! Thanks!